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    How well trained is your Frenchie?

    I was just wondering how well trained other Frenchies are cause Jax is pretty stubborn. We did puppy classes a few months ago to learn sit, stay, come, lay down, drop it, leave it, no jumping when greeting, etc. and the only time he does any of these commands is if he is going to get a treat. He was the disruptive one during classes, just wanted to play with the other puppies and would just bark at them . I was thinking of doing a few private training classes after the holidays. I did read in a Frenchie book that if you wanted a well-trained, obedient dog, don't get a Frenchie.

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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    LOL - So many people go into the group training classes expecting their dogs to come out better behaved. I always started my group classes with this:

    "If you are here to train your dog, please be advised the hour that you are here each week your dog will "NOT" learn anything. He will be too distracted to really learn anything. The best advise I can give all of you is to listen to my instruction so you know HOW to train your dog at home. The real learning comes in during the one on one sessions at home that you need to do daily. Preferrably a couple times a day especially if they are puppies. Puppies have very SHORT attention spans so limit training sessions to 5 to 10 mins 2 to 3 times a day. Have them sit for food. Practice with them in the house in the yard, bedrooms. All over the place so they learn to listen in different areas. Once your dog can do the commands well at home, THEN you can begin to train wth distractions like this environment.

    So my advise, private training is a great option. BUT if you have already been through the group classes, you really should have all the info you need to train Jax yourself. It's all about patience and persistance. You have to be persistent and consistent. If it's no jumping up on people, then it have to be no jumping on people all the time and each time he does it you have correct the behavior. Remember that praise is just as important as correction. They need to know what is ok and what is not and you want them to work for the good praise, not the negative.

    NOW - how well is my dog trained? LOL Umm the good ol saying it true the trainer is probably worse than the students in the classes. My boy is S P O I L E D!!!!!! I have not done any real standard obedience training with him. I have only done behavior training with him so far. He knows when it's time to stop playing, he knows sit for his food. He does not pull on the leash he walks behind me so heal isn't an issue. My big thing is working on not chasing him when he has something I don't want him to have. I need to keep some pieces of his food in the kitchen so when he gets something I can show him the treat and exchange the food for the thing he has that he's not suppose to have. Getting into the chase game is difficult because he's always getting stuff and he's like GREASE LIGHTING. LOL

    IF you have questions and you want to save yourself some money - feel free to private message me or post a thread on here. I'm on here every day and I can answer any questions you have about training Jax. Happy to help.
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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    I should also point out that yes our boys "frenchies" do tend to be on the stubborn side, which means we as the alpha and trainers have to be even more persistent and consistent with our expectations. Ollie is stubborn, but when I change my voice tone he knows I mean business.

    Probably one of your biggest training tools is your voice. Men tend to have an easier time training dogs. Do you know why? It's the lower tone of voice they have. When you correct change your tone to a lower and sharper tone. Make the correction short and loud. As soon as they respond, raise the tone to a happy level and pet them and praise for listening. Your dogs will come to learn that if they listen they get rewarded.

    I will post a thread on treat training in the behavior and training section later today.
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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Julie Stevenson View Post
    LOL - So many people go into the group training classes expecting their dogs to come out better behaved. I always started my group classes with this:

    "If you are here to train your dog, please be advised the hour that you are here each week your dog will "NOT" learn anything. He will be too distracted to really learn anything. The best advise I can give all of you is to listen to my instruction so you know HOW to train your dog at home. The real learning comes in during the one on one sessions at home that you need to do daily. Preferrably a couple times a day especially if they are puppies. Puppies have very SHORT attention spans so limit training sessions to 5 to 10 mins 2 to 3 times a day. Have them sit for food. Practice with them in the house in the yard, bedrooms. All over the place so they learn to listen in different areas. Once your dog can do the commands well at home, THEN you can begin to train wth distractions like this environment.

    So my advise, private training is a great option. BUT if you have already been through the group classes, you really should have all the info you need to train Jax yourself. It's all about patience and persistance. You have to be persistent and consistent. If it's no jumping up on people, then it have to be no jumping on people all the time and each time he does it you have correct the behavior. Remember that praise is just as important as correction. They need to know what is ok and what is not and you want them to work for the good praise, not the negative.

    NOW - how well is my dog trained? LOL Umm the good ol saying it true the trainer is probably worse than the students in the classes. My boy is S P O I L E D!!!!!! I have not done any real standard obedience training with him. I have only done behavior training with him so far. He knows when it's time to stop playing, he knows sit for his food. He does not pull on the leash he walks behind me so heal isn't an issue. My big thing is working on not chasing him when he has something I don't want him to have. I need to keep some pieces of his food in the kitchen so when he gets something I can show him the treat and exchange the food for the thing he has that he's not suppose to have. Getting into the chase game is difficult because he's always getting stuff and he's like GREASE LIGHTING. LOL

    IF you have questions and you want to save yourself some money - feel free to private message me or post a thread on here. I'm on here every day and I can answer any questions you have about training Jax. Happy to help.
    Jax is BEYOND spoiled and he is definitely a mama's boy (and I don't mind)!. I learned a lot from the training and have probably slipped up and need to get back on it to get Jax back on track. He will sit for his food and treats without me having to tell him to. He doesn't lay down on command, I have to do the "lay down" motion with a treat and then he lays down.

    Funny you mention having to chase Ollie whenever he has something he shouldn't because we have to chase Jax too! He just LOVES playing chase and while it was cute at first, it definitely can be bad especially if he is eating something he shouldn't. I usually have to bribe him with treats in order for him to come out from under the table. He does pretty good at walking, doesn't necessarily heel but he doesn't pull too much. The private training is NOT cheap so I might take you up on your office for advice on how to better train him. My biggest thing is wanting him to stay and come and not jumping on people. We have everyone coming over on Thanksgiving so I think what I will do is put his harness on, have some treats in hand and make him sit whenever someone comes in and then reward with treats and praise...Jax is more food motivated than praise motivated.

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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cbrugs View Post
    Jax is BEYOND spoiled and he is definitely a mama's boy (and I don't mind)!. I learned a lot from the training and have probably slipped up and need to get back on it to get Jax back on track. He will sit for his food and treats without me having to tell him to. He doesn't lay down on command, I have to do the "lay down" motion with a treat and then he lays down.

    Funny you mention having to chase Ollie whenever he has something he shouldn't because we have to chase Jax too! He just LOVES playing chase and while it was cute at first, it definitely can be bad especially if he is eating something he shouldn't. I usually have to bribe him with treats in order for him to come out from under the table. He does pretty good at walking, doesn't necessarily heel but he doesn't pull too much. The private training is NOT cheap so I might take you up on your office for advice on how to better train him. My biggest thing is wanting him to stay and come and not jumping on people. We have everyone coming over on Thanksgiving so I think what I will do is put his harness on, have some treats in hand and make him sit whenever someone comes in and then reward with treats and praise...Jax is more food motivated than praise motivated.
    Yes great idea for Thansgiving. Ollie jumps up too and we are working on that. Funny you mention table. Ollie dives under the table and then zips around the chairs and I can NEVER catch him. It was funny at first but now it's just hard. I have to out smart him with food.
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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Well......as I have said previous we are a Labrador household and our Labs are very obedient because they are working dogs and have to be. When I was researching/talking with breeders the first thing most of them said to me when finding out about our involvement in Labs was, "Frenchie's aren't Labs so don't expect them to be", in which I always said.....I know... Lol. So I went into owning a Frenchie not expecting much from him. We started in group obedience classes and puppy socialization classes pretty early and I have been very pleased with how obedient Bolt is. Even the instructors have told me to pursue competitive obedience or even agility because of his attentiveness and trainability. Now having said that, at home he does almost anything he wants.....lol......but when we are out and about or at training he knows he needs to put on his thinking cap. Not sure if he is an anomaly in the Frenchie world or not because he is my first, but so far I've been very pleased.

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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbois View Post
    Well......as I have said previous we are a Labrador household and our Labs are very obedient because they are working dogs and have to be. When I was researching/talking with breeders the first thing most of them said to me when finding out about our involvement in Labs was, "Frenchie's aren't Labs so don't expect them to be", in which I always said.....I know... Lol. So I went into owning a Frenchie not expecting much from him. We started in group obedience classes and puppy socialization classes pretty early and I have been very pleased with how obedient Bolt is. Even the instructors have told me to pursue competitive obedience or even agility because of his attentiveness and trainability. Now having said that, at home he does almost anything he wants.....lol......but when we are out and about or at training he knows he needs to put on his thinking cap. Not sure if he is an anomaly in the Frenchie world or not because he is my first, but so far I've been very pleased.
    Sounds like you are lucky with Bolt! I knew going into this that Frenchies weren't necessarily the easiest breed to train but they are just so darn cute, I didn't care! I know Jax is smart, he just likes to be stubborn and does what he wants, when he wants. He knows what "NO" means when he is getting into something he shouldn't but he will stop, look at you and then go right back to it.

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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Julie Stevenson View Post
    Yes great idea for Thansgiving. Ollie jumps up too and we are working on that. Funny you mention table. Ollie dives under the table and then zips around the chairs and I can NEVER catch him. It was funny at first but now it's just hard. I have to out smart him with food.
    It's hard with no jumping because when I get home after being gone all day, he is so excited to see me and I love his jumps and kisses but I know it's not ok for him to do that with other people. And yup...Jax heads directly for under the table because he knows we can't get him under there and I usually have to lure him out with treats. But he is getting smarter! Yesterday I had a biscuit, he came out to get the biscuit and then ran right back under the table. So silly but so lovable!

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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cbrugs View Post
    Sounds like you are lucky with Bolt! I knew going into this that Frenchies weren't necessarily the easiest breed to train but they are just so darn cute, I didn't care! I know Jax is smart, he just likes to be stubborn and does what he wants, when he wants. He knows what "NO" means when he is getting into something he shouldn't but he will stop, look at you and then go right back to it.
    Ollie is the same way. I have to go and stop him each time we see him doing something he's not suppose to do. Puppies. Aren't they just loads of FUN. LOL
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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cbrugs View Post
    It's hard with no jumping because when I get home after being gone all day, he is so excited to see me and I love his jumps and kisses but I know it's not ok for him to do that with other people. And yup...Jax heads directly for under the table because he knows we can't get him under there and I usually have to lure him out with treats. But he is getting smarter! Yesterday I had a biscuit, he came out to get the biscuit and then ran right back under the table. So silly but so lovable!
    Your better than me...I have been crawling UNDER the table after him and still chasing.....DUH Julie take your own advise and use the treats to get him out. LOL
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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    We did puppy training with one of our foster dogs a Parsons Terrier puppy OMG it was a nightmare she would do all the commands brilliantly at home then when we were in puppy class it was like taking a squirming, barking ferret on a lead We used to do the walk of shame every week, did the course twice and failed twice! We didn't do puppy classes with Winston (but he did go to puppy playgroup) as we trained him at home with all the homework sheets from the puppy training. He's very good he follows his commands at home and when out walking. He walks brilliantly off lead and his recall is excellent. He's quite laid back though, he's never chewed etc. New Pup Hugo though he's a bit of a terror, loves chewing, barks excessively when the someone goes in and out of the front door which is annoying us & Winston and he's helping with that as I've noticed last few times Hugo has done it Winston has 'mouthed' him on the cheek area and sort of shoved him gently and Hugo's taken the hint.

    Taking Hugo to puppy playgroup next week it's for pups from 9 weeks to approx. 18-20 weeks they get to play together for 30 mins, it's great fun meeting all the different breeds of puppies

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    Re: How well trained is your Frenchie?

    I am a terrible pack leader.... Marg is 7 months old and all she knows how to do is sit ha.... We did the puppy classes where basically they go over introductory obedience and then the last 20 minutes let the puppies all play together (this was always my favorite part). I have gone through obedience classes with both of my males and both passed. My golden ret. would get a toy as a reward for tricks and obedience, and my pit/boxer refused to do anything unless there was a treat in my hand... I am considering enrolling marg in an actual obedience class early next year, I would like to wait till she is a little older.
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