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Hi everyone,

I have never owned a Frenchie before, but have always loved them. 2 weeks ago, I ran into someone looking for a home for a 2 year old Frenchie that had been rescued a month earlier. His original owner was a truck driver who kept him in a crate 24/7 in a truck with the exception of bathroom breaks. Immediately upon seeing this dog, my heart broke. He was so skinny with his ribs and spine showing, his back legs were bowed out and his breathing sounded labored. Aside from those things, he was the sweetest little guy I had ever seen. In exchange for paying his vet fees from rescue (rabies, heartworm tests, etc), we were given the dog (with his AKC papers, food and meds) and we were told he was in good health other than being malnourished and an eye and ear infection that he was treated for. The kids named him Tootsie. =)

After a few days at the house, it became clear there was more going on. He would vomit every time he ate or drank anything...which in part I assume is why he is so thin. His back legs also have no muscle tone at all. I don't know if that can be attributed to him living 2 years in a crate. While he walks ok with a strange gait, he has a very odd bow legged hind legs stance and he tends to sit like a frog on top of his own feet. He has little care for how his back legs are positioned. In that first week, we tried buying the "hamster" water bottle to slow down his water intake, but that didn't work. We have now resorted to ice cubes instead of water. We feed him in tiny increments and soak the dry food in water first and then it is 50/50 of whether or not he will keep it all down, but its better than he was.

Last week (1 1/2 weeks after getting him) my boyfriend took him to the vet. As we feared, he is not in good health. The vet said she had never seen a Frenchie with as bad breathing as him and feared he may not make it through the summer heat with such poor breathing. They recommended a palate surgery along with neutering him. While he is under, they want to check him for neurological issues related to his hind end. She also mentioned that she couldn't locate his kneecaps. They also want to check his eyes as he appears to have problems with his tear ducts that result in constant crust in his eyes.

Long story short, his surgery is scheduled for next week (Feb 2). I am just overwhelmed by all of this. He has only been in our family for a few weeks, but he is already loved. I don't know anyone in my circle that has a Frenchie and of course most people think we are insane for getting ourselves into this with a dog we've had a few weeks. I am basically looking for feedback about what to expect after surgery. Have people seen a lot of improvement with eating and breathing? Also, is anyone familiar with the issues I described with his hind legs?

Sorry this was so long. Thanks so much everyone!
 

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Just wondering if you should try a novel protein dog food that he may not have been exposed to, so he might keep it down better, eg. Zignature or Addiction Kanagaroo . Also, feed him with his preferably slow feeding bowl up high. I would think vet would do some simple tests first to see what's wrong before surgery, eg. x ray of spine, x ray of lungs. I would get some Zymox otic drops and put some in his ears weekly to prevent further ear infections.
 

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Thank you for rescuing that sweet boy! I'd be inclined to get a second opinion not only to make sure he is healthy enough for surgery but that it is needed. I also question a rescue letting a pup go to a forever home when he needs so much medical attention. If you have access to a vet. school that has a teaching hospital, that might be a good source for evaluation.

:smileywelcome: to you and Tootsie. I hope all of his medical issues get sorted out and taken care of!
 

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Bless you for taking this sweet baby in. I agree and would get a second opinion, and try to find a bulldog specialist. The palate surgery is not that big of a deal, and should help with the breathing. Have them also check for Megaesophagus, that might explain the vomiting after eating.
 

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Hi everyone,

I have never owned a Frenchie before, but have always loved them. 2 weeks ago, I ran into someone looking for a home for a 2 year old Frenchie that had been rescued a month earlier. His original owner was a truck driver who kept him in a crate 24/7 in a truck with the exception of bathroom breaks. Immediately upon seeing this dog, my heart broke. He was so skinny with his ribs and spine showing, his back legs were bowed out and his breathing sounded labored. Aside from those things, he was the sweetest little guy I had ever seen. In exchange for paying his vet fees from rescue (rabies, heartworm tests, etc), we were given the dog (with his AKC papers, food and meds) and we were told he was in good health other than being malnourished and an eye and ear infection that he was treated for. The kids named him Tootsie. =)

After a few days at the house, it became clear there was more going on. He would vomit every time he ate or drank anything...which in part I assume is why he is so thin. His back legs also have no muscle tone at all. I don't know if that can be attributed to him living 2 years in a crate. While he walks ok with a strange gait, he has a very odd bow legged hind legs stance and he tends to sit like a frog on top of his own feet. He has little care for how his back legs are positioned. In that first week, we tried buying the "hamster" water bottle to slow down his water intake, but that didn't work. We have now resorted to ice cubes instead of water. We feed him in tiny increments and soak the dry food in water first and then it is 50/50 of whether or not he will keep it all down, but its better than he was.

Last week (1 1/2 weeks after getting him) my boyfriend took him to the vet. As we feared, he is not in good health. The vet said she had never seen a Frenchie with as bad breathing as him and feared he may not make it through the summer heat with such poor breathing. They recommended a palate surgery along with neutering him. While he is under, they want to check him for neurological issues related to his hind end. She also mentioned that she couldn't locate his kneecaps. They also want to check his eyes as he appears to have problems with his tear ducts that result in constant crust in his eyes.

Long story short, his surgery is scheduled for next week (Feb 2). I am just overwhelmed by all of this. He has only been in our family for a few weeks, but he is already loved. I don't know anyone in my circle that has a Frenchie and of course most people think we are insane for getting ourselves into this with a dog we've had a few weeks. I am basically looking for feedback about what to expect after surgery. Have people seen a lot of improvement with eating and breathing? Also, is anyone familiar with the issues I described with his hind legs?

Sorry this was so long. Thanks so much everyone!



Welcome to FBN... and thank you very much for giving this baby a new chance at a great life.

Others have given great advice on the food... small meals, novel protein and elevate the food.

My guy had palate reduction twice, first time was successful, but it became a problem again at age 2... he would have small amounts of food come back up but the bigger issue was sleep apnea. He recovered quickly, usually within a week they are off soft food and running around like nothing happen.

I have no experience with the hind leg issue and hope the vets can give you more insight so you can properly treat him.

sending you all lots of hugs and prayers.

please keep us posted on little Tootsie
 

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Thank you. I'm not sure what a novel protein diet is. He is currently eating a grain free dry and wet food and taking a high calorie nutritional gel. We've also been giving him a fish oil supplement. I'm honestly trying anything and everything to help him gain weight as he only weighs 18 pounds.
 

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A novel protein is one he's never been on before, so he can't have developed any allergies to it. I think I would avoid the fish oil supplement since it can cause some regurgitation ( at least it does with me if it's not enteric coated )
 

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Oh, sweetie - good luck!!! What a sad story. God bless you for taking care of this sweet boy.

We got Bambi as a retired breeder. She was only 17 lbs. (is now over 22 lbs.). I believe she was crated most of the time. She looked awful and had a terrible smell. She was so skinny that her skull, ribs and hip bones were visible. Because she was crated so much, she would walk as needed but then immediately sit, I think because her muscle tone was weak. At first, we would just walk her down to the end of the street and back to try to build up her muscle. She had/has luxating patellas to one degree or another.

I think getting Tootsie on a good food (we supplemented Bambi with scrambled eggs), any medicines he may need for his eyes/ears, maybe some NuVet vitamins and very light exercise might do the trick. Maybe you want to keep a sweater on him so that he is warm enough until he gains some weight. Hopefully time, good care and a loving home will do the trick, all of which you are providing. God bless you. Please keep us posted!

:pray:
 

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Thank you. I'm not sure what a novel protein diet is. He is currently eating a grain free dry and wet food and taking a high calorie nutritional gel. We've also been giving him a fish oil supplement. I'm honestly trying anything and everything to help him gain weight as he only weighs 18 pounds.

A novel protein is an uncommon protein, like rabbit, kangaroo, buffalo, etc.

He looks precious and I hope everything works out!
 

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How's Tootsie doing? Just wondering if Tootsie could have aspiration pneumonia from all his vomiting. He could really use those X Rays.
 

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How's Tootsie doing? Just wondering if Tootsie could have aspiration pneumonia from all his vomiting. He could really use those X Rays.

He is doing ok. Yesterday he had a really good day with no vomiting at all. He is going back to the vet for surgery on his palate next Thursday.
 

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I have attached a few more pics so you can get an idea of the shape our little guy is in.
1. Photo of him on my boyfriends chest- breaks my heart how clearly you can see his spine and ribs.
2. Photo of him drinking water- this is the only photo I have that you can see his bowed back legs.
3. Photo outside- you can see that he is un-phased by how awkwardly his back leg is tucked under him.
4. Photo in front of the fireplace- he just looks so thin.
5. Photo in the sweater- just because he is so stinkin cute I had to share!
 

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OMG; he is so stinkin' cute!!!!!! That face! :luv:

I am no expert, but I think his bowed legs would be far less noticeable if he had more meat on his bones. I think their back legs are slightly bowed to some degree naturally, and his chest to waist ratio wouldn't be so evident if he were more filled out. In the second picture, he is doing the "frog" and that is how they lay naturally, with their back legs out like a froggie. I don't think he could do that if his legs weren't right.

I have never seen the hamster waterer, however, I wonder if this might give him too much air when he drinks (?). Anyone?

Thanks for the pics!

Does my heart good to see him loved and being so well taken care of!
 

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Thank you for opening your heart to care for this poor handsome guy. You have received some good advice above and I agree that it might be a good idea to get a 2nd opinion and with a vet that is familiar with frenchies. Small, frequent meals also may help. Our Stella tanks on water and will vomit if she drinks too much, so we have to take it away to make her stop. Not sure about his hind legs, but it seems as if they would have at least taken some x-rays to look at his spine. Also did they say his nares looked okay since he is having breathing difficulty? I wish the best for him to improve and again thank you for taking him in and giving him a chance. Please keep us posted. I will be thinking of you and Tootsie.
 

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Thank you for opening your heart to care for this poor handsome guy. You have received some good advice above and I agree that it might be a good idea to get a 2nd opinion and with a vet that is familiar with frenchies. Small, frequent meals also may help. Our Stella tanks on water and will vomit if she drinks too much, so we have to take it away to make her stop. Not sure about his hind legs, but it seems as if they would have at least taken some x-rays to look at his spine. Also did they say his nares looked okay since he is having breathing difficulty? I wish the best for him to improve and again thank you for taking him in and giving him a chance. Please keep us posted. I will be thinking of you and Tootsie.

Thank you so much. Yes, they mentioned fixing his nares while correcting his palate. We saw this particular vet at the suggestion of an English Bulldog owner and have been told they are great with the issues of these breeds. They said in order to get proper x-rays, it would be best that Tootsie be unconscious so they decided to wait til his surgery to do them as to not have to put him under multiple times.
 

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Thank you for rescuing that sweet boy! I'd be inclined to get a second opinion not only to make sure he is healthy enough for surgery but that it is needed. I also question a rescue letting a pup go to a forever home when he needs so much medical attention. If you have access to a vet. school that has a teaching hospital, that might be a good source for evaluation.

:smileywelcome: to you and Tootsie. I hope all of his medical issues get sorted out and taken care of!

I couldn't agree more that he shouldn't have been re-homed in this condition and definitely not without a lengthy disclosure...but he is ours now. I wouldn't give him back even if we could...especially knowing what I know now.
 

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I couldn't agree more that he shouldn't have been re-homed in this condition and definitely not without a lengthy disclosure...but he is ours now. I wouldn't give him back even if we could...especially knowing what I know now.

You are such a good mommie!!! :cry:
 
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