Kicked Out of Doggie Daycare

[winginit66]

That seals it. We just all need to get together for a Frenchie meetup for about a week. Who lives in...Kansas that can play host?

 

[Pope]

I keep picturing Titan's adorable smiley face with those massive ears, and mommy angrily signing with an exaggerated grumpy face... must be too funny to watch!


On another note... Pope's story is exactly why we stopped taking Bisou to the dog park. At the dog beach, she's so distracted by people and the water that she doesn't go after other dogs much, but at the dog park she scares the crap out of the other little dogs. She's not being aggressive per se, just likes to get in other dogs' faces and play rough. She and Shasta play so rough at home that Bisou doesn't understand not every dog wants to play that way. She is ONLY gentle with my family dog, a small terrier mix who is getting grumpy in his old age, and that's it. We've talked about taking her to the big dog side because that's the size dog she prefers and the size dog that can keep up with her... but I'm so afraid of her triggering a big dog's prey drive and it's bye bye Bisou. For us poor folks who can't afford a trainer at the current moment, what are some other ways to socialize?

That's our current issue. He does a ton better on the big dog side, but only because most of them are faster than he is and he just ends up chasing/being chased by them. Not that his roughness is better though, if there's a bigger dog that just isn't having it with Pope, we have to basically just take him home because once he sees a dog he wants to play with, he will jump all over it EVEN IF it reacts aggressively towards him.

We can't afford any sort of organized training right now. We're lucky to have another frenchie in our building that can tolerate him. Her owner and I take turns having the other over for play time, and my husband and I have been right on top of them with the sprayer and the "tch" noise anytime he begins biting or being too rough. It hasn't stopped him from going for it, but I finally noticed that he baked away immediately when I just made the noise. Hopefully as we continue that he will get the message.

Anyone else's frenchie get WAYYYY stimulated and overexcited at the sight of ANY other dog? That's our other problem with Pope. He will choke himself trying to get to another dog in the vicinity. He comes off as so wild and untrained, which I hate because he really is a great dog.

 

[Chan Kai Cheong]

i donot think obedience training and neutering could really treat the problem
I think sometimes the dogs has their own way of communication. first of all, you must not encourage the aggressive behavior
secondly, they are dogs, not like humans, they could not talk nor play with hands. the only organ they could use conveniently during playing is their mouth. to me, as long as my frenchie is not hurting during playing, i generally let everything happens (you could tell if a dog is in hunting mode or not)
my suggestion is let it play with other dogs (not the defensive or aggressive), let those dogs teach it which behaviors is allowed to have during playing. at this point, they are same as human. when they find out other dogs do not like to play in this mode, they will be taught. but you have to make sure the other dog owner would like their dog to teach your frenchie the lesson because some people get nervous when they see the dog with the jaw opened. lastly, dont lose your patient, frenchie is stubbron.
i agree that is almost impossible to teach the extend of doing something while you can only teach you what to do or not to do.

 

[NALAnoodle]

Same problem here with my 11 month girl! I don't think it is a hormonal problem, I wondered if its like they were originally from a fighting dog breed and its the end result of taming down!?
Anyway, after seeing amazingly trained Frenchies on You Tube I've no doubt they can be responsive. Its just you need 6 months intensive training!!
'Excercise them well!' they say. This winds my Nala up more that she bites our bottoms! and turns into devil dog. Seems to get on well with Dobermans or fast hyper dogs like Spaniels.
I am going to try the water bottle, although this will not allow me to catch her when she's 'on one'! I need cheese for that, preferably strong chedder. Will keep you posted...

 

[blushy]

i donot think obedience training and neutering could really treat the problem
I think sometimes the dogs has their own way of communication. first of all, you must not encourage the aggressive behavior
secondly, they are dogs, not like humans, they could not talk nor play with hands. the only organ they could use conveniently during playing is their mouth. to me, as long as my frenchie is not hurting during playing, i generally let everything happens (you could tell if a dog is in hunting mode or not)
my suggestion is let it play with other dogs (not the defensive or aggressive), let those dogs teach it which behaviors is allowed to have during playing. at this point, they are same as human. when they find out other dogs do not like to play in this mode, they will be taught. but you have to make sure the other dog owner would like their dog to teach your frenchie the lesson because some people get nervous when they see the dog with the jaw opened. lastly, dont lose your patient, frenchie is stubbron.
i agree that is almost impossible to teach the extend of doing something while you can only teach you what to do or not to do.

My frenchies fly across the room at eachother with mouths wide open.

One is deaf, so basically EVERY type of play time training is out of the picture. I've got a squirt gun, that barely works, so I'm trying a spray bottle.

For my girl who isn't deaf the best thing for her is the "shaker cup". If she gets out of line, even with guests (jumping in their face cause she's so excited) one small shake has her patiently waiting to be pet on the floor instead of being a crazy lunatic. Clearly this isn't a tactic for dog park use, since other dogs may become aggressive at the sound... But it works at home to settle her down, then I can step in and tell T no, or spray him, or whatever I needed to do at the moment.

It's definitely a learning curve and a major challenge to train bad playtime habits out of a deaf dog, and I worry because he is deaf that he can't hear other dogs "corrections" so he can't learn what is "too much" without me there stopping him. Frenchie rough housing wins over my training regardless, but I try to teach him to be a little more gentle, as I do with Isa.

Luckily he's laid back, and is really gentle with Dina (the chihuahua). And we finally even got her and Isabelle to play nice together! So things are coming along but it's tough and some things don't work for our dogs as they would for another.

 

[Pope]

Same problem here with my 11 month girl! I don't think it is a hormonal problem, I wondered if its like they were originally from a fighting dog breed and its the end result of taming down!?
Anyway, after seeing amazingly trained Frenchies on You Tube I've no doubt they can be responsive. Its just you need 6 months intensive training!!
'Excercise them well!' they say. This winds my Nala up more that she bites our bottoms! and turns into devil dog. Seems to get on well with Dobermans or fast hyper dogs like Spaniels.
I am going to try the water bottle, although this will not allow me to catch her when she's 'on one'! I need cheese for that, preferably strong chedder. Will keep you posted...

Quick update (and I hope you're finding success with Nala): Pope seems to be learning, SLOWLY but surely about appropriate behavior. We still have not taken him back to the dog park or tried a new daycare, but one on one with our frenchie neighbor, he seems to not bite as much. When he does, a quick "tch" noise (which for him means NO) is enough to stop him. We've been able to phase the spray bottle out, but pairing the water with his NO noise at the beginning definitely helped!

Now we just need the good behavior to continue with all the other dogs out there, haha

 

[French Bulldog Buzz]

Hi just read through the thread...and I'm happy that he is starting to learn now a bit, with your neighbor which is a good sign..

What we as humans do is oftentimes, when our Frenchies are still puppies we just let them rough play as it is cute when they are small. But than they grow up and it is not more cute for us, we are facing than a real problem whihc we have to tackle...

The thing is we should already from the puppyhood start to contorlong their play activity, ' you as well do not let your kids run around the house like crazy?' So basically this is the same what we have to do with our puppys, once we see the play is getting out of hand..Than we just start with very simple obedience training like sit, stay and down...Just to redirect the brain...

At the same time we have to start very early to social our dog as much as possible. To expose them to big and small dogs, and here is the same princip..if the pay goes out of hand than we can redirect it again...

Specially the French Bulldog as they can be very stubborn at times, and really don't listen to the owner...that why we have to be in control form day one with our beloved Frenchies and than you will have a great companyon...

Be well and hope your training will continue well