Merle Frenchies

[EmmanFrankie]

We had a new Frenchie in at work the other day, and he’s a Merle! I was wondering if this is just an undesirable but expected color (like white boxers) or is this from poor breeding leading to potential health concerns or an indication of questionable lineage? He was gorgeous, would love to have one, but I don’t want to spend quality purebred money on what would likely be a medical money pit or is essentially a mutt.

I don’t really care about color as much as health. My pure white boxer was amazing, and I loved that he was an uncommon color, but white boxers are a normal/common occurrence. There is a higher incidence of undesirable traits (deafness), but they're still purebred. I understand that just because you do all the right things to make healthy pups there will be unlikely ones that get bad genes and there’s nothing wrong with hybrid/mix/mutts but a doodle is just an intential mutt. Mostly just curious if anyone knows where this color would have come from. At the end of the day a good dog is a good dog, purebred or mixed.

 

[Cbrugs]

Merles are not purebred French Bulldogs and are definitely poor breeding. They are usually mixed with something else to get that color and some will become blind and have many other health issues. Anyone that breeds Merle’s are just it in for the money and they don’t care about the breed at all.


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[2bullymama]

Merles are not purebred French Bulldogs and are definitely poor breeding. They are usually mixed with something else to get that color and some will become blind and have many other health issues. Anyone that breeds Merle’s are just it in for the money and they don’t care about the breed at all.


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Agree....


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[FrenchKiss]

I was bemused the first time I laid eyes on a merle. I used to breed and show Shelties so merles were not new to me. I did some research and found they are basically breeding back to another breed that carries merle. The irony is the owners are charging many time the normal price for "rare" colors. I brought this up in a French bulldog Facebook group and was banned. Of course the owners are boasting "akc papers" but getting a dog registered is based on an honor system where the owners are supposedly accurately reporting parentage. I was amused when AKC started talking about DNA testing and some people were up in arms resisting it. Hey, if you are being honest then why the push back?

I am still getting familiar with the conformation of Frenchies but the merles do not appear to be a good example of the breed's type. Conformation is about more than just looks but also ties back into function and movement. Healthy movement means healthy body. I also am chagrined to have found I bought pups that have zero conformation. But I was never interested in breeding them but just having a pet so...no big deal?

 

[Joeturbo26]

I actually have nothing to add that others haven’t already said... but I can say personally I don’t like the way Merle’s look. They always seem a bit off. Until I saw one of Rico’s friends get a little Merle sister. She is so adorable. Probably the only Merle I’ve ever seen that looks like a “frenchie” to me. I think it’s partially due to the fact that she has dark eyes. All that aside I still would never get one.

 

[FrenchKiss]

No offense to the owner of that cutie but that dog's face and body lack the heaviness and cobbiness that I have noticed in the breed type. I wonder if there is some chihuahua or maybe even dachshund?

 

[Cbrugs]

No offense to the owner of that cutie but that dog's face and body lack the heaviness and cobbiness that I have noticed in the breed type. I wonder if there is some chihuahua or maybe even dachshund?

Merle Frenchies are usually mixed with chihuahua.


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[FrenchKiss]

Merle Frenchies are usually mixed with chihuahua.


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I thought so! When I look at the head on your dog in your profile pic that is what I expect to see from a Frenchie. The picture of the merle frenchie looks to rounded as opposed to squared off and heavy.

 

[spectrumbullzmiami]

Merles are not purebred French Bulldogs and are definitely poor breeding. They are usually mixed with something else to get that color and some will become blind and have many other health issues. Anyone that breeds Merle’s are just it in for the money and they don’t care about the breed at all.


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with all due respect,This is the most misleading reply i have ever heard someone say, the only way you have issues with Merles is when you breed two merles together and even then some might be crypted or ghost or double merles the other ones will not be and will be safe and sound with no issues, the mixed with something else statement is also totally incorrect, because then the french bulldog breed will also be consider a mixed breed having its origin from the english bulldog and the french rat dog back in the 1800's just like many other breeds that were created the same way, i have breed and own many Merles and have never ever had any issues with them, matter of fact the oldest girl i had was 13yrs old with 5 c-sections done and was a extremely healthy dog till her last day when she past away from a falling coconut on to of her head in my back yard, if that would not had happen she would be here today most likely, just like they say that the blue, the liver or choco, the lilac are not consider original, it has been proof that most if not all frenchis carry a diluted gene , also like the L gene or Fluffy is a natural factor gene in them just that nobody before had notice it or had produced long hair and if they did they thought it was a abnormality not realizing that they had put together two positive L genes dog and that is why they ended up with one or a few different long hair pups in there litter , since discovering this they now put two full carriers of double LL together and get a full litter of long hair ,,, also the new intensive gene it has been there all along but recently they put two dogs that where positive to the intensive gene and they came out like if they were transparent or with a white film over the color so now they have the answer as why a dog color is very light. before some other coats like blue dogs some where darker than others this was the reason they develop the Intense gene and that dog itself was a carrier ,,now the isabella or the Coco as some call it is the only thing i can't figure out how it show up... here is where your statement of a mixed might fit properlly

 

[Cbrugs]

with all due respect,This is the most misleading reply i have ever heard someone say, the only way you have issues with Merles is when you breed two merles together and even then some might be crypted or ghost or double merles the other ones will not be and will be safe and sound with no issues, the mixed with something else statement is also totally incorrect, because then the french bulldog breed will also be consider a mixed breed having its origin from the english bulldog and the french rat dog back in the 1800's just like many other breeds that were created the same way, i have breed and own many Merles and have never ever had any issues with them, matter of fact the oldest girl i had was 13yrs old with 5 c-sections done and was a extremely healthy dog till her last day when she past away from a falling coconut on to of her head in my back yard, if that would not had happen she would be here today most likely, just like they say that the blue, the liver or choco, the lilac are not consider original, it has been proof that most if not all frenchis carry a diluted gene , also like the L gene or Fluffy is a natural factor gene in them just that nobody before had notice it or had produced long hair and if they did they thought it was a abnormality not realizing that they had put together two positive L genes dog and that is why they ended up with one or a few different long hair pups in there litter , since discovering this they now put two full carriers of double LL together and get a full litter of long hair ,,, also the new intensive gene it has been there all along but recently they put two dogs that where positive to the intensive gene and they came out like if they were transparent or with a white film over the color so now they have the answer as why a dog color is very light. before some other coats like blue dogs some where darker than others this was the reason they develop the Intense gene and that dog itself was a carrier ,,now the isabella or the Coco as some call it is the only thing i can't figure out how it show up... here is where your statement of a mixed might fit properlly

Okay well merles, blues, lilacs and all those other “fad” colors are not recognized colors of a French Bulldog and I stand by my comment that breeders that breed these colors are only in it for the money. I do not not will I support these kinds of breeders. There is a standard for a reason.


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[Carson1834]

with all due respect,This is the most misleading reply i have ever heard someone say, the only way you have issues with Merles is when you breed two merles together and even then some might be crypted or ghost or double merles the other ones will not be and will be safe and sound with no issues, the mixed with something else statement is also totally incorrect, because then the french bulldog breed will also be consider a mixed breed having its origin from the english bulldog and the french rat dog back in the 1800's just like many other breeds that were created the same way, i have breed and own many Merles and have never ever had any issues with them, matter of fact the oldest girl i had was 13yrs old with 5 c-sections done and was a extremely healthy dog till her last day when she past away from a falling coconut on to of her head in my back yard, if that would not had happen she would be here today most likely, just like they say that the blue, the liver or choco, the lilac are not consider original, it has been proof that most if not all frenchis carry a diluted gene , also like the L gene or Fluffy is a natural factor gene in them just that nobody before had notice it or had produced long hair and if they did they thought it was a abnormality not realizing that they had put together two positive L genes dog and that is why they ended up with one or a few different long hair pups in there litter , since discovering this they now put two full carriers of double LL together and get a full litter of long hair ,,, also the new intensive gene it has been there all along but recently they put two dogs that where positive to the intensive gene and they came out like if they were transparent or with a white film over the color so now they have the answer as why a dog color is very light. before some other coats like blue dogs some where darker than others this was the reason they develop the Intense gene and that dog itself was a carrier ,,now the isabella or the Coco as some call it is the only thing i can't figure out how it show up... here is where your statement of a mixed might fit properlly

Well the French Bulldog Club of America, UK and Australia along with the French Bulldog Rescue Org and ALL REPUTABLE frenchie breeders disagree with you.

French Bulldog Rescue Network :: Fad Colors


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[Cbrugs]

French bulldog that are of Color are very special. a colored Dog of any breed is a unique mutation that occurs. Especially in A french bulldog they are a great pet and very beautiful to look at.The temperament temperament of a French bulldog of Color is like No others. They are a quality dog!!!

Not really. But okay.


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[Carson1834]

Merel Frenchbulldog are Top Quality Breed from all the frenchbulldog, they' are the easiest to train when it comes to Potty training, learning knew Tricks, they are very loving and get along with Children, adults, all other Pets. they're exceptionally amazing dogs, it is a pure bred healthy Frenchbulldog, with Zero to minimal health issues, However because of their exceptional color coat and quality there are very few, therefore can run 15-35k to own a Merel Frenchbulldog

They’re the easiest to train when it comes to potty training? What is this bs? Is there a way to flag a user for spam?


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[Frankiesmum]

Hey,

i was just reading through this and with some concern.

My Frenchie frank was from two pure frenchies both with papers, both on the Kc registration page. Mum was tan with black mask, with champion bloodlines from the US and Hungary and dad is registered but because he is classed as 'platinum' not as a recognised colour. However i would call him a light tan colour personally. I was also able to track back the dad through KC to brindles, blacks and pied frenchies which are recognised colours.

So if i am tracing back up to 5 generations, how can my dog be crossed with something when he looks like a pure frenchie?

out of a litter of 5 only 2 pups have some small merle markings, the rest are tan and blackmask.

would you say he was crossed? (BTW i didn't choose frank for his colour, i had interest in the litter prior to them being born due to health checks and locality, i also didn't pay over the odds for him)