European French bulldog vs American french bulldog

[BossLadyMV]

Did you get the European French Bulldog, and if so how did it go? I would like a European French Bulldog. Can you get me the information so that I may get one as well please? Thank you so much.

 

[cnash]

Bentley is half Hungarian and American.
I think he has the perfect frenchie look. Buf that's just my opinion.

 

[MaplesMommy]

Did you get the European French Bulldog, and if so how did it go? I would like a European French Bulldog. Can you get me the information so that I may get one as well please? Thank you so much.

When you research different breeders, just look at their dogs and their blood lines. Then you will be able to see where your dogs blood lines are coming from and what dogs were used.
(That said,researching your potentially new pups history is always a good idea,not only to trace back its origin )

 

[hannah]

I am not sure about the standard appearance of either so I cannot comment, but I will say that when I was searching for a puppy, I found a breeder online that said European bloodlines, and it turned out they (a Canadian based breeder) got the puppies shipped to them at 7 weeks old from Europe from a puppy broker and then once they had them, shipped them again to their homes. Kind of sad.... so just beware of that when you are looking to see if they are actually breeding the dogs or if they are puppy brokers.

 

[hannah]

Bentley is half Hungarian and American.
I think he has the perfect frenchie look. Buf that's just my opinion.

so adorable!

 

[Chiana]

I am not sure about the standard appearance of either so I cannot comment, but I will say that when I was searching for a puppy, I found a breeder online that said European bloodlines, and it turned out they (a Canadian based breeder) got the puppies shipped to them at 7 weeks old from Europe from a puppy broker and then once they had them, shipped them again to their homes. Kind of sad.... so just beware of that when you are looking to see if they are actually breeding the dogs or if they are puppy brokers.

Wow! that is awful and scary!!! Nowadays people wanting a puppy needs to be so aware of things, what to ask and do loads of background studies. I'm shocked! I have zero respect towards people like that who does not care at all of other's lives, just thinking of $$

 

[blushy]

Bentley is half Hungarian and American.
I think he has the perfect frenchie look. Buf that's just my opinion.

Isabelle is a halffie too!

I think it's a perfect mix. They get the best of both types... I think the mixed bloodlines give healthier dogs... It's not like it's a mix breed. I actually prefer the half and half.

European lines make her a much healthier dog than T! She's tall
Muscular and has longer muzzle so she doesn't have nearly as labored of breathing as my other Frenchie.

 

[Chiana]

Bentley is gorgeous!! I just love his appearance :heart: and Isa's too!

What I can see from both Bentley's and Isa's photos that they both have such a good open nostrils! That is relatively rare among frenchies I have met, and definitely help to effortless breathing.

Moses is UK/Hungarian, with full european bloodline. He has more narrow nostrils on the right side. We learned during our ear infection process that is does not limit only to nostrils, but his right ear channel is also much, much narrower and hence prone to issues...

I'm definitely in favour of mixing bloodlines.

 

[MaplesMommy]

I have watched a very interesting documentary the other day.
German breeders and the Vdh (German Kennel Club) said that it is essential for the breeds health to breed back more nose. Not only in French Bulldogs,but also pugs and english bulldogs. When you look at old pictures from of the breed, it was once the standard and they all had a little bit more nose.
Anyway, before you can breed in Germany, you need to get a breeding license for each dog. That includes many health tests that they all have to pass and they now also have to walk 1 km in a certain time without the dog become to exhausted. So if the dog overheats, lays down,starts panting excessively or shows any other symptoms in regards of breathing issues, they fail and wont get licensed.
I support this 100% and love how europeans breed for a longer back(straight spine;less back problems) and more nose (wider nostrils,less breathing issues).

 

[hannah]

Wow! that is awful and scary!!! Nowadays people wanting a puppy needs to be so aware of things, what to ask and do loads of background studies. I'm shocked! I have zero respect towards people like that who does not care at all of other's lives, just thinking of $$

Yesss it was quite sad. We had put a $500 deposit down in a rush when we found the breeder on line and then found out more and more info and she wouldn't give us our deposit back so we crossed our fingers and decided well at least we're giving her a good home. Then she emailed us a week before she was supposed to arrive and told us she didn't make it. I am assuming that meant she passed away on the flight to Canada. But she ended all contact with us after that so I am not sure. We were soooo heart broken. Learned a huge lesson about researching breeders before putting a deposit down. ugh it was terrible.

 

[cnash]

I've met other Frenchies here that have an insanely hard time breathing and they constantly snort and grunt while breathing after a short run.
Bentley will pant faster than other dogs but much less snorting and grunting.

 

[Chiana]

I have watched a very interesting documentary the other day.
German breeders and the Vdh (German Kennel Club) said that it is essential for the breeds health to breed back more nose. Not only in French Bulldogs,but also pugs and english bulldogs. When you look at old pictures from of the breed, it was once the standard and they all had a little bit more nose.
Anyway, before you can breed in Germany, you need to get a breeding license for each dog. That includes many health tests that they all have to pass and they now also have to walk 1 km in a certain time without the dog become to exhausted. So if the dog overheats, lays down,starts panting excessively or shows any other symptoms in regards of breathing issues, they fail and wont get licensed.
I support this 100% and love how europeans breed for a longer back(straight spine;less back problems) and more nose (wider nostrils,less breathing issues).

Wow! that is great news from Germany! I will pass this information to Finnish french bulldog breeder society as well! They are currently updating their breeding procedures and started to actively collect health records and arranging official health tests.

Currently here, before breeding, the dog should be generally healthy with no allergies and health tested for heart murmur, knees and eye dna test for any known eye diseases.
AND in addition they are recommended to have at least two excellent records from shows.

The idea to check breathing by the walking test is absolutely awesome!

I have experienced the same few times when going to the vet with Moses, that the vet is surprised when Moses walks in, saying that she expected to see a hard breathing snorting frenchie to walk in. Then again, Moses has slightly longer muzzle than stated in the breed standard.

I have also looked historical photos of Frenchies and they all have a proper muzzle. Don't know what happened to the breed since.

 

[Chiana]

Yesss it was quite sad. We had put a $500 deposit down in a rush when we found the breeder on line and then found out more and more info and she wouldn't give us our deposit back so we crossed our fingers and decided well at least we're giving her a good home. Then she emailed us a week before she was supposed to arrive and told us she didn't make it. I am assuming that meant she passed away on the flight to Canada. But she ended all contact with us after that so I am not sure. We were soooo heart broken. Learned a huge lesson about researching breeders before putting a deposit down. ugh it was terrible.

Oh, sorry to hear you have had to went through all that sounds absolutely awful! There certainly seems to be loads of weirdos among breeders who are there just coz of $. It really is a mine field out there when trying to mow the field for a good solid breeder who actually have interest what they breed and how.

We have here a big problem with puppy farming, mainly due to close proximity to Russia. Many times the trace leads to that side of the border. I personally know many law suits agains these brokers, but since the matter becomes international, in many cases no one is willing to drive it further.

Also their counter parts in Finland are typically claimed as broke, so even if they get sentenced to animal cruelty and get fines and penalty not to keep animals any longer, they just ignore it and leave the fines unpaid, since officially they have nothing...grrr...so frustrating.

As long as the buyers are not well informed and there is a market, there will be puppy farming. So sad but true

 

[Chiana]

[MENTION=377]MaplesMommy[/MENTION] just out of curiosity, what health test they are doing in Germany when qualifying a frenchie for breeding?

 

[MaplesMommy]

[MENTION=377]MaplesMommy[/MENTION] just out of curiosity, what health test they are doing in Germany when qualifying a frenchie for breeding?

In order to get the license,your dog needs to pass the following tests:
- heart ultra sound done by a cardiologist ;
- x ray of the spine, focusing especially on the lumbar vertebra and wedge-shaped vertebra
- a DNA test

If the dog passes these requirements he is then invited for the official testing. There they will check for:
Patella Luxation
Entropium
Ektropium

And the dog needs to walk 1000m (1 km) within 8 minutes without showing any signs of breathing difficulties.

Pedigree is also checked for Syringomyelia and Chiari Malformation.

 

[Chiana]

In order to get the license,your dog needs to pass the following tests:
- heart ultra sound done by a cardiologist ;
- x ray of the spine, focusing especially on the lumbar vertebra and wedge-shaped vertebra
- a DNA test

If the dog passes these requirements he is then invited for the official testing. There they will check for:
Patella Luxation
Entropium
Ektropium

And the dog needs to walk 1000m (1 km) within 8 minutes without showing any signs of breathing difficulties.

Pedigree is also checked for Syringomyelia and Chiari Malformation.

Thanks! That is quite impressive process and highly interesting. In Finland the official breed club and KC are also actively trying to further improve the breeds health and known issues.
I will use this info to start further discussions here as well

 

[Chiana]

A local Frenchie forum forwarded me this link that describes the qualification process in Gremany...quite impressive!
It gives also a lot of breed info!

Bullies, Pugs and Bulldogs – the current top runners - Verband für das Deutsche Hundewesen (VDH)

 

[Chiana]

A local Frenchie forum forwarded me this video that describes the qualification process in Germany...quite impressive!
It gives also a lot of breed info!

Bullies, Pugs and Bulldogs – the current top runners - Verband für das Deutsche Hundewesen (VDH)

 

[Mama]

Hi
After looking at both, I guess I will call it, "styles" of french bulldogs, I find myself preferring the European physique. Can you tell me the name of the breeder who told you they bred European Style French Bulldogs? As that is what I am looking for. Thanks!

 

[Alice Kable]

Thank you for posting this video! I really enjoyed it and am going to make sure my husband sees it, too!